I agree 100% !!! Im cool with donating. There has to be a private chat or something because he's obvousily on an alt. So if reads everything then he can avoid it. Its better to surprise attack him !!! I know a really good hacker irl. I'm going to explain the situation & see what he can do. This is very personal to everyone at this point. If he were to just exit scam & take the money, then it is what it is but when he started threating everyone. Thats a different story !!

I'm curious what are you gonna do when if you find them? Send assassins? Tell their friends on facebook who are they? If LE gets them, LE will get all customers data, I don't think it's what you want. Even if you do bloody punishment, it won't stop others, they will just think more about security. Anyway if LE didn't catch them, how are you gonna do it? Even with a lot of donations. Exits like that will be forever while customers let to do it. Everybody is responsible for own opsec. If this step was fucked up, have to accept consequences.

As market admin I'm curious if it's even possible to find admin in case he used his brain a bit before starting. So let's see what options we have. 1. clearnet domains, they have bunch of them. I'm sure they were made with fake emails, won't find anything interesting. Only if hack email and find there some clues. 2. hack the market. Market as big and old was tested by every single person who thinks he was a hacker. They have paranoid nginx settings that makes vulnrs searching very slow and boring. And let's be real, incognito didn't add any features or even moved any icon for last years, it's tested as fuck. Even if pwn web server, can get db, but that's all. They know how WSM was dumped, vpn is not an option to connect to servers, ofc they use tor, so all ip of last conns will lead us nowhere. And I wouldn't except to have direct access to the wallet from web server. 3. investigation. Many people talked to admins, in personal chats they could mention something: country, city, some famous area, when and where they traveled, maybe admin ordered 1g of coke for birthday and in theory we can find who was the vendor and, maybe, he can find an address. So someone needs to play a detective, collect all clues, and catch the bastards. Actually it sounds quite fun, but it's serious work that requires background. LE, I know you read it, maybe you can give us special agent for that =)

This is a bad idea. Do not pay the extortion fee. Move on an learn from the lesson. Your fucked either way if he decides to release info to the FEDS ( he most likely wont as transactions lead to him) You hunt him down/ DOX then what happens? He gets busted and the FEDs have even more information on customers and vendors?

I keep getting notifications saying you tagged me in posts but they all say [pending approval]

Something must be done to stop this behavior here and now and prevent it from happening in the future

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Its like a real life "Trolley Problem" Made an image catered to the incognito situation but dumpli was offline EDIT: dumpli is back online http://dumpliwoard5qsrrsroni7bdiishealhky4snigbzfmzcquwo3kml4id.onion/image/get/e02acbce89313828.png

I just had to chime in, I don't post much but only use dread to be keep informed. I'm a long time buyer and been through exit scams since AlphaBay, I've managed to avoid most but this one I got caught. Figures, one of my biggest orders. First, thank god I never trusted that auto encrypt shit, second, fuck him, I'm calling his bluff. Go ahead and turn over the data but be aware, I only could speak to the US but the feds need corroborating evidence, which is HIM but since he is a criminal that doesn't count as corroborating evidence. If he did come forward the best he could do is get a plea deal, haha. Talk about cutting ones nose off to spite your face. So for me, here's a big FUCK YOU, I dare you to hand over the data!!!!!!!!!!

We don't think this is the solution. The real solution is sadly much more simple and mundane. Exit scams are an inherent risk of this business as it is currently built. Accordingly, the old adage has always applied..."act as if.." So, when vendors and customers act as if a market is already compromised and protect their data accordingly, extortion attempts like this will merely cause an eye roll and folks will carry on. If all addresses, sensitive communication, and cryptocurrencies were handled appropriately per the DNM Bible and other sources, no one will care if you leak that shit. Until a fully trustless market exists, this is the way.

yeah i ageed with you, Pharoah may have made biggest mistake of his life, trust me, he will regret this because lm sure lots of people want him DEAD. this guy is fuckin scumbag in darknet history

whats d best outcome iyo?

i will slaaapabitch for write price and good attorney... just kidding... i mean in minecraft.. all expenses paid by giftcards... thx... in minecraft have daugter big bitch needs job... inquire within... sorry, no passport... j/k

You can't transform animals into humans by any means.

I feel doxxing is a line never to be crossed, slippery slope and all that. But at the same time, exit scams have to be stopped. And we need to find a way to provide a compelling disincentive for future would-be exit scammers. Something that would make them pause and think, "Idk, if I do this I could be screwing myself for life" Perhaps this is a situation where an exception needs to be made for doxxing. A one-time exception the community agrees upon. The line must never be pushed further. But for exit scams that are confirmed beyond reasonable doubt, perhaps it should be allowed and supported. Just throwing the idea out there. At the same time, that's not enough. We should approve doxxing exit scammers while at the same time finding a solution moving forward that eliminates the markets' ability to exit scam. Anonymous smart contract crypto. Or direct payment to eatablished, trusted long time vendors with a fee set aside to market for facilitating the transaction (maybe vendor has to pay a percentage of what they receive to cover the fee, and if they don't their vendor privilege is revoked). For vendors not meeting that criteria, perhaps users pay up front still but the vendor is only allowed 3 sales in limbo at once. If a user contests the transaction like the vendor scammed them, their status is revoked until investigation can confirm one way or the other, accounting for buyer's reputation and history as well as the vendor's. 3 sales at a time max ensures if they do scam the amount of money they have at once is limited. Could also add a 1% fee for all transactions that goes into a community fund to cover any buyers scammed. Kinda like insurance, if you will. Since the market won't be a middleman, this fund could cover those scammed. And perhaps the keys to release funds are set up as needing 3 different keys simultaneously. One the market owner holds, and the other two are held by 2 other trusted individuals working for the market. That way it would take all 3 conspiring to scam the fund. Which, while not impossible would make it far less likely. Or maybe the 3 key approach could be used with the current system as is. So if the owner wants to exit scam they'd need to convince two others to get on board. Which judging by the Incog scam, the other refused to be bribed. People do have integrity. At least it would minimize the probability of an exit scam, even though it couldn't eliminate it entirely. All just brainstorming ideas to consider. Is it possible smart contacts could be utilized to bypass the middleman for escrow? I know XMR couldn't do it but many crypto can (ADA, SOL, etc). Problem is they don't have the anonymity. But perhaps a solution could be found. Idk how but programmers could look into it, ya know? Necessity is the mother of invention. We need an anonymous coin with smart contracts, do we not? Cut out the middleman for escrow, thereby eliminating the market's ability to exit scam with user/vendor funds. The markets could simply facilitate the transactions for a fee. Is such a thing possible? Idk. But if you/whoever knows any crypto developers perhaps you could reach out and ask if it's even feasible theoretically, and if so, what would it take to implement, and THAT could be crowdfunded. Could research Beam, Discreet Network, Secret Monero Bridge, or check out privacy coins one by one for anonymous contracts coinmarketcap dot com /view/privacy/ on clearnet has a list. I'm not knowledgeable enough but surely some are. This would revolutionize markets if some way to bypass the middleman for escrow was found.

I'm going to copy-and-paste my response to another of these threads, mates: Thank you for tagging me on this. As I wrote in another thread, dread's no-doxxing rule is a foundation of the dread community. I agree with dontlaugh and samwhiskey, we should not set aside our principles even in an extreme case like this. Once that door is opened, closing it is going to be very difficult. Someone will always come up with a reason why "we did it for pharoah, we should do it for xxxxxxx". Plus, as samwhiskey points out, a lot people, vendors and users alike, will use the opportunity to falsely accuse competitors or just people they don't like. Hug and Paris will have the final say on this. I hope they remain true to dread's founding principles, and I believe they will.

This is a tough one but in my opinion DOXING ANYONE IS A NO GO, Please /u/HugBunter and /u/Paris can I ask that you don't allow promotion of fund raising to DOX anyone. TBH as I read some posts I feel like I am in a discussion with a bunch of FBI agents rather then an underworld community. Don't take that the wrong way as there is a strong argument that "doxing pharoah is justified to stop the users/vendor being dox" which I dont agree in my opinion DOXIN this dog will just 100% DOX all the users and the vendors PLUS pharoah. Would i pay him his extortion money .. LOL fuck no - he aint gonna delete any of the database of this I am certain so I would avoid doxxin him because if he gets doxed LE will go after him and he will have that database, make no mistake. /u/HugBunter if you have laws in place and rules set out which users agree to upon signing up and then if you don't enforce them will takeaway from a lot of Dreads credibility. SO MY SUGGESTION? /u/HugBunter I did read a few comments you made which sorta may have suggested you were working and getting closer to discovering Pharoahs identity if this is the case dont DOX him just use his trick and extort him... what do i mean? send him a message like "Hello Pharoah or should i say JOHN DOE, as you can see you challenged someone who is way out of your range and I know your real identity so to avoid being doxed return the stolen money, write a pgp signed letter stating you are sorry and that you agree if you ever are found as a market admin again I will be doxxing you cock sucker... love /u/HugBunter

MOST IMPORTANTLY, Im not convinced he actually has any data at all... FACT IS he posted a threat and provided nothing, why would you do this for? ITS JUST STUPID... He basically is saying "im going to do this by this date" and the date passed and he provided nothing... Im calling BULLSHIT, if he were serious he wouldn't have to try to convince people how much data he has and he diffidently wouldn't need to write several comments to convince you that LE would use this data against you.. Whats that Snoop Dogg song say "anyone who is weak will always have to speak, anyone who's quite will always cause a riot" As for the TX iD that is just the most retarded thing I have heard, as the only common trace will be to himself so you can be sure he is not that stupid... 100%

tbh a dust attack was already done to a their wallets. 99% sure because who the fuck wouldn't cashing out their coin through traditional means in bulk is never going to happen. It took us years to develop a method to get cash in hand in bulk and even then cashing out 500k takes months. That being said they will probably fuck up at some point. If people had clues and enough examples of their writing there are a few interesting things we could do but tbh us talking about anything in public is probably only going to help them. Also I am not vigilante just a business bird. A lot of these guys get caught years down the line making a slip up with btc transaction like the bitfinex guys even did. tbh if they gust busted they will strike a deal and give a bunch of customer data. They will still be fucked and rot away for ages but the end customers with leak data probably just going to make it on a list. Getting drugs mailed to you doesn't mean you ordered it deny deny deny! lastly he didn't cross me I haven't had to use markets in sometime and my alts never used that market. Guy's... It's a game lots of people playing checkers they are playing chess. I hope they pm me for advice now lmao