thanks for everyone being patient with this, but we really wanted to get this right and not just install people that didn't have the best interests of the sub at heart. obviously, that is not entirely unavoidable, but given how much i care about the sub and you cunts (most of you), here's hoping.
after the [PSA] WE NEED A NEW MOD TEAM post: /post/07acc172761f7029404f
we've gotten a number of nominations some that will potentially work, others that will not.
just to clarify some specifics on who is going to be eligible that have come from the last post:
- no vendors
- no Market reps/admins/staff/mods/PR etc
- must identify as an Aussie(in our timezones, understands our markets and the local DN scene)
- must not have a history of Fraud/Commercialisation in their post history
- no new accounts and must have a history on the sub of some sort.
Now on to the list of nominations that are eligible so far and their application:
/u/weirdaf1 - /post/07acc172761f7029404f/#c-688bb2a7e3c77101d9
/u/sirtiltalot - /post/07acc172761f7029404f/#c-c851d7249dc86ab3a2
/u/gofastyeah - /post/07acc172761f7029404f/#c-28bb2a9853aabc85cf
<EDIT> /u/NorthOfNexus - /post/e1343d0b6c3fe85ebdca/#c-4f7ed3ed97ad3cc4f7
/u/polarbear987 - /post/07acc172761f7029404f/#c-ff9ad515b188f0b1e6
FYI:
/u/diondavenport69 also applied but directly to my PM's and never posted a public application. as this is a last call, i'll leave it to him to post his application here if he still wants to.
was nominated but did not respond to nomination to accept but is technically eligible
/u/HippySurfer was nominated but did not respond to nomination to accept but is technically eligible
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now on to those that didn't make it and why:
/u/TTTz - not aussie(although identifies as a kangaroo) and market rep/PR for abacus
/u/newbieforever2018 - not aussie and market rep/PR/affiliated
/u/SexyPenguin - not aussie
/u/nasyer - not aussie and identifies as LE
/u/PelicanVendor - not aussie and an ex vendor. history of non action on the sub when moderated previously
/u/blacklist12345 - account not old enough
and lastly...
/u/SteveIrwin - i know a lot of people might disagree, but the sub would be best served keeping a test4pay moderator/founder separate from DNAus moderation. don't get me wrong - love the work they have done, but i still have concerns like some others that the operation is at the end of the day commercial and inadvertently that could potentially cause conflicts of interest.
it is also worth noting that /u/SteveIrwin first interactions on dread were to run competitions on various subs that to me at the time looked to be gathering support for a commercial operation - this was something i further felt was true based on the now removed posts of his relating to an interest check for setting up a dedicated 'Aussie' darknet marketplace /post/e180eeb2f6baea198bd0
and no - it doesn't look great that all comments have been removed from these posts in an attempt to scrub them from your history.
in saying all this about SI, i didn't want to just poopoo without an explanation. again, don't get me wrong, i think T4Pay does some great work, but with the donations now stacking up and the lack of certain aspects of transparency around funding, i think it is best served by keeping that relationship separated. if it aint broke and all that....
i will be encouraging the new mod team to set up closer relationships and communications with the T4P team as i think it will only improve the sub.
shill, cast dispersion, shout their praises, drag up their history (or lack thereof)... do what you will and perhaps you can let us know something that we all missed in the previous post.
feel free for any last minute nominations that are eligible and we'll hopefully have a new mod team by around this time next week once the dread admins have done their final perusal of the nominations.
take care and stay safe - dl
/u/Sirtiltalot · N/A votes · 3rd July, 2023 - 15:10 · Link
From the eligible list I like /u/weirdaf1, /u/gofastyeah and /u/NorthOfNexus. Nothing negative to say about the other guys, I just haven't had enough to do with them to form an opinion yet. Regarding myself, I'll repeat what I said in the previous message, I don't really want the gig or the responsibility. But I do care about the sub and want to participate in its success. Happy to help where I can.
/u/nasyer · N/A votes · 3rd July, 2023 - 10:19 · Link
Under act 914. Concealment--Failure to Disclose | JM The statute proscribes the acts of making false statements, falsifying, concealing or covering up. and under act 18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally (1). falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact; · (2). makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement Your are under arrest and put your hands up! Chief secretary /d/FBI
/u/dontlaugh · N/A votes · 3rd July, 2023 - 11:35 · Link
pew pew orificer.
/u/SteveIrwin · N/A votes · 3rd July, 2023 - 10:20 · Link
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/u/venomous · N/A votes · 3rd July, 2023 - 10:57 · Link
your idea T4P is great in helping aussies and tbf you getting donations helps make it worth your time and effort. keep it up
/u/newbieforever2018 · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 03:16 · Link
Whew, good thing that they didn't notice that I am a moderator of /d/Test4PayUSA Guilt by association kind of thing. Keep up the great work!
/u/SteveIrwin · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 03:54 · Link
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/u/newbieforever2018 · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 04:01 · Link
I am an atheist but if there was a god you would be doing the lords work. Whether you are making a fortune from it or stealing money from street people to pay for the tests the dread community benefits greatly from the results.
/u/NorthOfTheNeXus · N/A votes · 3rd July, 2023 - 10:31 · Link
hey dl, i would b interested in helping but have 0 experience, so maybe as a mod in training kinda of thing i guess also /u/newbieforever2018 said he is willing to help me learn how to b a mod and the tool/or whatever is needed
/u/dontlaugh · N/A votes · 3rd July, 2023 - 10:33 · Link
it's all good. i'll hang around for a 'handover' period as such to try and instill some good habits and teach the mod panel side of things to the new mods.
/u/NorthOfTheNeXus · N/A votes · 3rd July, 2023 - 11:28 · Link
cool as, thanx dl
/u/newbieforever2018 · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 02:54 · Link
Good luck to you. From what you have shared with me I believe that you would be a superstar moderator.
/u/SexyPenguin · N/A votes · 3rd July, 2023 - 10:39 · Link
What if I was secretly an Australian?
/u/dontlaugh · N/A votes · 3rd July, 2023 - 11:34 · Link
then you can secretly be a mod ;p
/u/nodicee · N/A votes · 3rd July, 2023 - 10:46 · Link
whens the piss test?
/u/Sirtiltalot · N/A votes · 3rd July, 2023 - 15:12 · Link
Anyone got a guide to sneak in someone else's piss?
/u/newbieforever2018 · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 03:20 · Link
There is a new standard in which they watch you pee so you would need to sneak in someone else's penis too.
/u/Sirtiltalot · N/A votes · 5th July, 2023 - 08:05 · Link
Well that cuts down on the options not many lads got one as small as mine....
/u/newbieforever2018 · N/A votes · 5th July, 2023 - 20:36 · Link
Touche' The old micropenis claim works every time.
/u/weirdaf1 · N/A votes · 3rd July, 2023 - 12:06 · Link
Nice to see. I nominate /u/gofastyeah
/u/TTTz · N/A votes · 3rd July, 2023 - 14:06 · Link
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/u/newbieforever2018 · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 03:04 · Link
You got it down with those images. Right on the mark!
/u/0nthacase · N/A votes · 3rd July, 2023 - 14:46 · Link
i have plemy of time researching and collecting "ollectable" I would like to oferr myself as a team or moderation, dm if neded more info
/u/dontlaugh · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 03:47 · Link
not how it works mate. post your application here with relevant information for the entire community to see. we try to run a transparent sub.
/u/gofastyeah · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 02:41 · Link
All right /u/dontlaugh as the new senior mod Ive decided that this is the team /u/weirdaf1 /u/sirtiltalot /u/gofastyeah /u/NorthOfTheNeXus Updated /U/dontlaugh
/u/SteveIrwin · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 03:53 · Link
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/u/dontlaugh · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 03:50 · Link
there will be no head mods.. and i'm retiring once all is set up with a decent team :)
/u/dontlaugh · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 03:58 · Link
it's on the edge timewise.. and was waiting for feedback from the community like this to help :)
/u/weirdaf1 · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 04:06 · Link
/u/Steveirwin has a point ngl. /u/NorthOfTheNeXus is a good fit also just my personal opinion.
/u/gofastyeah · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 05:31 · Link
Good investigation son, Polar is cut, Nexus is in
/u/Sirtiltalot · N/A votes · 9th July, 2023 - 10:31 · Link
I dunno who polarbear is but if you run /d/Test4Pay you auto get -302 which puts you both on the same score for mod applications unfortunately. jokes 😂
/u/polarbear987 · N/A votes · 7th July, 2023 - 13:43 · Link
Sorry for the late reply I don't use Dread a large amount, obviously as a mod I would check it more often. I addressed my time/anonymity in my original "application" and completely understand, I take a small issue with /u/gofastyeah saying it was an "investigation" transparency is a big factor to me, and I believe I was, but I digress. If you have any questions about me, as I said in my app, I am happy to answer. What are your grievances? Can I answer a question or its a plain, don't trust the new guy? While I have no qualms with that being the reason, it was also addressed in my original application, why would a consumer of illegal goods establish a traceable presence? Regardless of the end results /u/dontlaugh if you need a backup in the future chuck me a message.
/u/theaveragejoe · N/A votes · 7th July, 2023 - 15:17 · Link
your second most recent comment - left on a harmless, thorough, and positive post by someone basically just updating the sub with the end result of their search for decent h - so elegantly reads as follows: Its obviously asians who don't use a lot, they ain't going anywhere link: dreadytofatroptsdj6io7l3xptbet6onoyno2yv7jicoxknyazubrad.onion/post/33ac0bcb2017c7194a22/#c-6223d0362415059fba you made that comment right after posting this response, like, what? is that the sorta "backup" you offer? that's the first grievance i just happened to stumble on lol. i wouldn't care if you were just new. but you don't seem to make an effort to contribute, and what you have put out there just isn't particularly interesting or nice. fuck having a moderator who even on an anonymous DNM subdread feels the need to express their backwardsass views on other people.
/u/gofastyeah · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 05:33 · Link
No, your perma selected as the mod of mods
/u/Sirtiltalot · N/A votes · 9th July, 2023 - 11:22 · Link
Yeah not fucking going anywhere, get out the chains!
/u/SteveIrwin · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 04:25 · Link
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/u/dontlaugh · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 04:28 · Link
thanks... appreciate the input. feel free to elaborate on the why if you have time.. i think it would be helpful to the community. so definitely gofastyeah?
/u/weirdaf1 · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 04:30 · Link
Northofnexus instead off 2 /u/gofastyeah :P
/u/dontlaugh · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 04:48 · Link
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/u/PelicanVendor · N/A votes · 10th July, 2023 - 21:16 · Link
How would you know I am not an Aussie unless you are an officer. Also why would you change my rule of no Aussie moderators lol this is how you get AFP back on Dread you dingdong
/u/gofastyeah · N/A votes · 11th July, 2023 - 02:49 · Link
Who the fuck is that guy
/u/PelicanVendor · N/A votes · 21st July, 2023 - 00:36 · Link
I ran this place for years m8
/u/whocares123 · N/A votes · 3rd July, 2023 - 12:58 · Link
"it doesn't look great that all comments have been removed from these posts in an attempt to scrub them from your history. " Very /u/fudpolice like
/u/newbieforever2018 · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 03:18 · Link
/u/HippySurfer would also make an excellent moderator here.
/u/dontlaugh · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 03:50 · Link
old mate hasn't accepted his nomination.... ;)
/u/newbieforever2018 · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 03:59 · Link
That was actually the reason why I tagged him. I haven't seen him for a few days but definitely a great dude to have around.
/u/dontlaugh · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 04:10 · Link
agree.. he's a legend and all round nice guy :)
/u/newbieforever2018 · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 05:52 · Link
He will return. He was very active on xanax recently, did a shit ton of graphics there
/u/gofastyeah · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 11:04 · Link
/u/dontlaugh /u/weirdaf1 /u/sirtiltalot /u/NorthOfNexus /u/diondavenport69 /u/SteveIrwin /u/trashman Probably best to ask now before its too late but does mod do anything other then take the trash out? This scumbag could do that, I revel in the filth :D
/u/dontlaugh · N/A votes · 4th July, 2023 - 13:34 · Link
ever been to a city where the garbo's are on strike? it ain't pretty my friend.
/u/SteveIrwin · N/A votes · 7th July, 2023 - 06:50 · Link
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/u/dontlaugh · N/A votes · 8th July, 2023 - 01:19 · Link
fuck you talkin about.. it's all glory....banning cunts because you dont like their username. funny flairs. easter eggs in the rules. it's all the fun. PS - this is J O K E S
/u/weirdaf1 · N/A votes · 10th July, 2023 - 01:13 · Link
Easter eggs in the rules? Love me a good old ee