I can chime in, though my experience is roughly 6 months old. For TGC I made two orders of etazene and they were wonderful! However, the third time I ordered I received an inactive substance. I contacted them and they told me that they had to outsource to a different lab and could no longer guarantee the quality of at least the etazene, I didn't ask about other substances. They said they'd compensate me on my next order, but after hearing that they couldn't guarantee the quality of chems and receiving some garbage I opted out from ordering again. With longflourish, I believe it was etonitazepyne that I ordered and the product that arrived was brown. I started very small, knowing the potency of the substance, but worked my way up to 100mg lines before feeling any effect. Also, this shit stung so fucking bad, it was like a religious experience. I felt like I was snorting a Carolina Reaper pepper, it was so overbearing that when I finally got high I couldn't even enjoy it. In conclusion, the product I received was obviously very impure as it should've only taken a milligram or two. I literally worked my way up slowly and carefully for hours before I realized that it was garbage. It was so offputting and unpleasant to snort that I literally through the remaining 4 grams or so in the garbage. It's a shame that TGC can't guarantee the quality anymore, like I said, this is etazene specific and I'm not sure about their other chems. To his credit, he at least kept it real with me and told me that he was now outsourcing and wasn't sure about consistency anymore. I think if they really wanted to keep me as a customer, they could've offered to send me a free order to compensate for the inactive one. Who in their right mind would spend more money not knowing if it was going to be good or not. I did also talk to someone who used them for their 30mg oxycodones. He said he received his order and it tested negative for fentanyl. That means they're selling pressed nitazenes, because there is no such thing as authentic black market oxycodones. I would say that if you use TGC, you're at least going to receive your order from them, but there's no telling on the quality of the product. I too am very curious to hear of anyones recent experience, in particular with TGC because based on my experience I'd never use long flourish again and would only try TGC again if someone had success. The etazene was fire until it wasn't.

This is very relevant to my interests too.

Looking forward to hearing if anyone has word on this

Following. Been wondering myself.

TGC is scam, longflourish i've seen recommended here but it may be fake post, so jury is out on that one

I've ordered from longflourish looooong ago in the 2018s and they were golden, but times change so would either have take test-of-time $200 pie in the sky order or wait for some consensus majority or trusted user here that can certify one or the other Kosher, if you will lol

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I placed an order for MIPLA tabs on 2/7 from TGC. Still waiting....

So the jury is still out on this one, hmm! Not one soul with a recent order or comment? From what it seems, these are the mainstay Chineese sources domestic vendors source from, unless I'm mistaken. Also, TGC is proposing a creative method of circumventing the recent mass bans. Essentially they're offering chem "kits" that are not the native chem but the final ingredient precurors in the synthesis. If cookies are banned, it's like selling DIY cookie dough almost ready to bake. From their landing site page: You also can order our semi-finished 5f-adb or semi-finished 5cl-adb and finish the product by yourself. It will be strong as the cannabinoids sold in China before the ban! They advertise/claim: DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME AND YOUR MONEY WITH OTHER KITS FROM OTHER LABS. OUR 5CL-KITS IS THE STRONGEST IN THE MARKET AND INCLUDE ALL YOU NEED TO PRODUCE HIGH QUALITY AND STRONGEST PRODUCT! And offer cookie dough kits to circumvent the ban. They synthesize 95% of it and leave the final chemical constituents and steps to you, not a bad theory. Here is another quote on 5CL-ADB. I have a feeling most Chinese suppliers may follow suit, as it is the only method of circumventing a ban. You can ban lemmonade, but you can't ban lemons, water and sugar. So why not sell the final ingredients half-finished and let the customer cook their own product without undue chemistry headache/knowledge in semi-finished kits with separate ingredients ready-to-bake/mix. Not a bad idea. Here is one quote: This is the strongest semi-finished cannabinoid in 2024! It's 2-3x potency of the 5cl-adb and 5f-adb! Color of the finished product will be tan brownish. If you need only "A" and "B" without DMF and the Potassium Carbonate, price can be 6500 USD. You can contact us by email or Threema. ----------------------------------- Hey friends, here you can buy the very strong old 5f-adb. Since the product is illegal in China what we can offer is the semi-finished product. Here is instruction how to chance the product final product - You need: 1) Precursor Powder A 2) Precursor Powder B 3) Potassium carbonate（CAS：584-08-7）（powder not crystal）（856g） 4) N,N-Dimethylformamide (CAS: 68-12-2 )（2kgs/2L）abbr: DMF 4 materials in total * Note, this is price for full kit. You will get all the 4 materials. You can also buy all the lab equipment needed to finish the product by yourself easily! : https://tgc-rc.ru/lab-equipment Instructions how to finish the product: 1. Put all 4 materials together into the reactor and stir (you can buy them from us) to make sure homogenous. 2. Heat until temperature to around 85C for 4 hours while mixing speed is at least 120 rpm. 3. Let it cool naturally below 45 Celsius. Best around 35C. The liquid material is then ready. Prepare a big plastic bucket, put in 4kgs water and 12kgs ice in it. 3. Pour the cooked liquid solution slowly into the bucket, while quickly stirring the ice water. Solids should appear. 4. Continue to stir for 5-10minutes. 5. Let the solids stay in the water for 4-5 hours. The ice in the bucket can't be melted can add more ice if needed. 6) Filter the solids with vacuum funnel or through a filter such as cheese cloth and then dry it naturally. *We are here to help if you need anything. But it's not really complicated process! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTES: melting point of finished products is 45 Celsius, so no dryer, let it cool naturally. if u failed in making it to solid but liquid, quality no influence finished products should be around 1.3kg - 1.5kg yield! Any recent Dread members ordered from either TGC or longflourish recently that can confirm or deny their good standing?